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Terms of Service / Re: Refund
« on: December 02, 2014, 11:19:05 pm »
I meant to say that extending the Q3 deadline was NOT part of the original agreement so by doing so they are in breach. Not to mention that it is now December and still not product or even a working prototype. It does not matter if AT are crooks, scammers or something else. What they are not is a maker of working miners. This is hard truth. They can claim whatever they want to but we have proof on our side. They took our money and will not return it. AT has no product and has made no effort to show a working model to date. Pathetic.

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Terms of Service / Re: Refund
« on: December 02, 2014, 11:16:03 pm »
On my second call back to PayPal, I got a female call center person who was aware of the issue and gave me my full 30% deposit back on the spot. It was in my bank in three days. She told me that the only thing that could make PayPal take back that money would be if AT shipped by end of Q3 which we all know has long passed.  I did tell her that the TOS was 5 months and was not clear about any other amount of refund. She said that this did not matter. What mattered was that AT did not abide by their sales agreement which consisted of shipment by 30 Sep 2014.  Extending that deadline was part of their original agreement with me. So, I have my money back and am out of this issue.  I never did send the 70% balance and never will. AT is not a company to do business with. I have learned my lesson. I will never invest in a project ever again. I also learned that the best way is to purchase with my debit card since Bank of America stated that by doing so they could have gotten my money back quickly. But I used PayPal and had to fight with them to get my money back. Lucky for me that I reached a call center person who did not fall back on PayPal strict protocol on refunds past 45 days of payment.   Stick with trying for your refund until AT goes bankrupt. Don't quit.

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Success Stories / Re: Confirmed Paypal Refund - Initiated by Alpha
« on: November 20, 2014, 07:41:54 pm »
The only thing that their original TOS covered was a staggered declining refund process for the 30% down payment.  There is nothing in the TOS for  the 70% final payment so you have gotten back the portion that was under condition.  Now it is time to go after the 70%. There is nothing in writing about not refunding that larger portion back except AT stating they do not have the funds to do so. No excuse. No product. No prototype. They can't point to something that they are building now that just happens to be non working.   Strike now and get your money back, the 70%. You are entitled to get it all back. AT has no claim to it. AT missed the Q2/Q3 ship deadline.  Good luck...

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 jrose120:
Now I understand why some of their customers got partial refunds. It was because they were cleaning out their accounts of all the funds. Some of the accounts were frozen and the money could only be returned to sender, they had no access to it. If I were cleaning up shop to leave the country I'd want to close as many of those accounts as possible. Even if that meant I had to return the funds that were frozen, whatever it took to close the accounts.

They're gone, this is now over.                                                                                                THE END!

vesperwillow:
Has anyone done any detective work about this company and its related neighbors? Even social media and researching company info could be helpful to paint a picture. This is why a lot of people had a bad feeling about hopping on board awhile back. For example..

Prior to Alpha-Tech moving in, there was Saddique & Co Chartered Accountants, and next to it was Rain Gaskell. Well, Rain bumped out of there and Saints Solicitors legal practice moved in. After awhile Saddique faded out and Alpha-Tech was born.

Saints Solicitors LLP is identified with Zain Siddiqi, a Pakistani, who apparently has strong sympathy toward the Pakistan people/issues. The practice also specialized in Sharia compliance, along with various Islamic law application. SSLLP has since moved to a new address as of spring of 2014.

Saddique & Co was a long term venture with really hard to find paperwork on the company. There is another Saddique venture, Saddique Brothers Enterprise. Now this could be unrelated entirely, but I'm including them because they formed right as Saddique & Co disappeared, and they  just happened to form within eyesight up the street. This one is identified with Shazad Saddique. A few guys with his name in the nearby area pop up, one of them with business acumen--no way to determine who is who--but the one guy is a gambler. So, speculation here, but an accountant who is involved with lots of gambling.

The Akram family has been involved in a line of companies and financial work for awhile. The elder has worked as a managing director in a couple of places, and is involved in at least one well known islamic trust. The younger popped up in a couple of ventures.

Two things stuck out in my mind the most. First, the Akrams hopped into several ventures at once.. all in march/april of the same year. For folks reporting low-to-no capital or gains, they're able to hop into ventures easily. Second, they've registered and renamed and registered companies to themselves several times, which isn't unusual, but a pattern is emerging: the company names they're using are almost exact copies of other well-known company names in similar industries, particularly well-established companies with deep pockets.

In fact, a great example, look at just 2 of their recent companies: Research Alpha Technologies and Cheshire Technology and you'll see what I'm talking about. It's not a bad thing, and I doubt they are related to those other companies, but it is a known technique folks use in order to trick would-be customers/investors, so that when these people look up "alpha technologies" they'll see a well-established organization and have boosted confidence on investing. It would be like someone starting a company making operating system files and calling themselves Microsoft Co.

Just tossing some stuff out there.. this has been discussed to a small extent in the past, but I keep emphasizing that folks need to research. Follow the money trail. It could be harmless coincidences, or it could be evidence that they planned to hide assets for if/when things went sour.

I also don't know if it's of any value to mention, but back when they had photos of themselves, if you used the photos to search online for more traces of them, the photos couldn't be found anywhere else by most of the popular search engines. I'm not sure if anyone else had any better luck. It's highly unusual an an IT age for folks like this to have no trace online using their digital image.

Sources: Google, social media, UK business disclosure websites, etc.

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Of course you should file again since you have more information and you have more money outstanding.  Go get em....

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I posted this in another section but will repost for you:

I am no lawyer so this is unofficial. I can only speak to what has happened to me and what I learned from my own experiences. With that said, when I was going to pay my balance, I was going to use the Bank Transfer method. According to Bank of America, this is not as good as paying with a debit card or credit card. This method is not as protected as the others. BOA stated that they could still go after the money but that they would have to petition the bank that Alpha Tech uses, which is Lloyds Bank in the UK. BOA told me that really, anyone who buys with a Bank wire transfer is at the mercy of the receiving bank. But Lloyds Bank UK is a reputable bank. If you did a wire transfer through your bank then there is hope. The fastest way to get that money back would be by going through your bank and trying to get them to get the money back for you. There are other areas in this forum for small claims. I did not do one but the other entries should help you if you want to go that way.  Just keep in mind that Alpha Tech stated themselves that if things continue to go bad, they might go bankrupt in December. That is only two months away, or less if you consider 1 Dec as Dec.  Since they are totally silent on their wonderful prototype that has not been revealed yet, and no one has stated that they have received a working miner yet, one must suppose that AT has hit yet another snag in this project and does not want to tell anyone. I would  think as others have stated that if they have failed yet again that obtaining the funds to do a third attempt is unlikely to happen.  Better do something to get your money back and fast. The biggest threat at this point is AT going bankrupt. In  this case, all money is gone.

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Small Claims - Step by Step Instructions / Re: General Help
« on: October 30, 2014, 11:27:43 pm »
I am no lawyer so this is unofficial. I can only speak to what has happened to me and what I learned from my own experiences. With that said, when I was going to pay my balance, I was going to use the Bank Transfer method. According to Bank of America, this is not as good as paying with a debit card or credit card. This method is not as protected as the others. BOA stated that they could still go after the money but that they would have to petition the bank that Alpha Tech uses, which is Lloyds Bank in the UK. BOA told me that really, anyone who buys with a Bank wire transfer is at the mercy of the receiving bank. But Lloyds Bank UK is a reputable bank. If you did a wire transfer through your bank then there is hope. The fastest way to get that money back would be by going through your bank and trying to get them to get the money back for you. There are other areas in this forum for small claims. I did not do one but the other entries should help you if you want to go that way.  Just keep in mind that Alpha Tech stated themselves that if things continue to go bad, they might go bankrupt in December. That is only two months away, or less if you consider 1 Dec as Dec.  Since they are totally silent on their wonderful prototype that has not been revealed yet, and no one has stated that they have received a working miner yet, one must suppose that AT has hit yet another snag in this project and does not want to tell anyone. I would  think as others have stated that if they have failed yet again that obtaining the funds to do a third attempt is unlikely to happen.  Better do something to get your money back and fast. The biggest threat at this point is AT going bankrupt. In  this case, all money is gone.

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Success Stories / Re: Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
« on: October 22, 2014, 11:45:41 pm »
As for my FULL REFUND from PayPal, it was immediately done by them.  I have a larger post done today with more details if you want to go look for it.  Good luck.  My full refund was for the 30% down payment of $629 and change. I did lose a bit due to pounds to dollars conversion. I guess the pound is worth less when I got my refund. I only lost $50 because of this.  I did not have to go for a refund of the final 70% payment since AT has never re-offered that CC payment option. Thank God!!!  They can't offer that option, even today on 22 Oct since they STILL do NOT have a finished product to ship. Not even a prototype. What a loser company!!!

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Report Alpha / Re: Call Paypal- My full refund info
« on: October 22, 2014, 11:30:56 pm »
It seems like there is a lot of traffic in this thread so I will repost my FULL REFUND from PayPal for the 30% down payment I made in Jan 2014:

Here is the information showing that I did indeed get a reversal and full refund from PayPal for the 30% down payment I initially paid to Alpha-t.  I hope this helps you all get your money back. 
My original payment to Alpha-t was on Jan 4, 2014.
PayPal reversed this payment for me on Oct 3, 2014
My name is:  Randal Shoup
Reversal (Unique Transaction ID # 55H06240T7828644W)
See related 6YU14735AK051702W  ( This was my original Jan 4 purchase ID.)

Original Transaction
 Date                   Type                                                                                 Status                       
 Jan 4, 2014   Payment To Alpha Technology (int) Ltd      Reversed     

PayPal reversed this payment and returned the money to your PayPal account.     Amount -£405.00 GBP

Related Transactions
 Oct 3, 2014   Reversal    Completed    ...   £405.00 GBP
 Oct 3, 2014   Currency Conversion    Completed    Details   -£405.00 GBP
 Oct 3, 2014   Currency Conversion    Completed    Details   $629.87 USD

Business Name:   
Alpha Technology (int) Ltd
Email: customer@alpha-t.net

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It's wonderful that you received a refund.  Thanks for posting.  However, I think the more valuable info would be HOW you achieved this.

Ok, I will recount a few of the things the call center person and I discussed:

* I started by telling the rep that I was not interested in hearing or discussing the 45 day or 180 day dispute file date from date of payment which for me was 4 Jan 2014. I told the rep that I instead just wanted to talk to their Protection services or Legal department. The rep said that this would not be necessary since AT had lots of complaints and that there were many other disputes filed recently.
* I added that I had read on internet sites that other PayPal users had already been refunded.
* I stated that  AT has passed their Q2/Q3 ship date on 30 Sep.
* I stated that AT does not have a working unit to date. (Oct 3, 2014)
* I stated that AT had erroneously claimed all AT customers were a business, but did this after we paid our 30% down. This was not a condition of AT's when we originally signed up.
* I told her that AT stated in May 2014 that they would be ready to ship by July 2014. I could have asked for a refund before July 2014 and gotten that refund straight from AT but I trusted their claim of a July shipment.  AT full well knew at the time of claiming this that they did not have a product and would not be shipping then but hid that from their customers.
* I told her that AT offered a CC payment option in July supposedly 2 weeks before expected July shipment, full well knowing that they would not be ready to ship within two weeks. The CC processor stopped taking payments when they found out that AT did not have a finished product to offer.
* I told her that AT claimed that PayPal withheld payment of my down payment to AT due to AT not having a product. I told PayPal also that AT claimed this and that they had to get another investor in order to make up for that money.  I pointed out to PayPal that with this disclosure by AT, if it was true, that my 45 day period to file a dispute was still valid since AT did not receive payment yet. PayPal told me that they had indeed paid AT my money immediately. I then stated then that AT was deceiving all of their customers then for some unknown reason.


These were a few of the things we discussed on the day I got my refund. I made it crystal clear to the call center rep that I had paid on 4 Jan 2014 and that the original Terms stated that there was a graduated scale for refunds in the event that I wanted out for my own reasons. I made it clear also that at the fifth month it stated only 50% refund available but that the original terms did not say what the refund was after five months.

The call center person stated that this was not an issue since the Terms of Purchase stated Q2/Q3 ship date, which AT had obviously not held up to their part of the deal.  The rep gave me an immediate refund of my 30% down payment on the spot on that basis only.  I transferred the money from PayPal to my bank account immediately and within 3 days it posted in my bank.

I also asked the rep about what would happen if AT fought back and would not pay PayPal back. She told me that the only problem I might have is if I refused to take shipment by 30 Sep 2014. Since it was already 3 Oct 2014 and I had not been given the opportunity by AT to finalize my purchase, then I had nothing to be concerned with.

So as you can see, there was no magic performed by me to get the refund. I just happened to come across one of the call center reps who cut through the bull and gave me the refund.

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Report Alpha / Re: Call Paypal
« on: October 20, 2014, 07:14:00 pm »
Here is another PayPal story by another AT customer trying to get their money back:

ilostmyface:
Hey Guys..

I just called PAYPAL a second time today after calling a week ago with no much help from them on the phone.  I was transferred to the Protection Services department pretty quickly. The person I spoke with this time was pretty helpful on my request for a refund due to not receiving product. He didn't question my allegations against the seller.

He said ( We will re-open this dispute against the seller and look into the sellers history and determine if a refund is possible.  He explained that PayPal doesn't like to be the one to fit bill on a reversal and advised calling my bank and asking for a reversal on my ACH transfer for the purchase as a backup.

He also advised contacting ic3.gov and placing a complaint with the FBI.


I called my CHASE bank shortly after to see if they could do a reversal on my transaction from JANUARY. They told my they can't doing any reversals on ACH transfers past 60 days.. :/

Anyone else have any other experience with a BANK via ACH transfer?

So its PAYPAL or nothing..

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When I initially called Bank Of America to pay by wire transfer, which I never did, the bank told me that although I would be kind of protected, that paying with a transfer instead of my debit/credit card would be at the mercy of the UK bank who receives the transfer for AT.  So that is why I did not use that method and was waiting for the CC method.  But since then I just got my refund in full from PayPal.  (See other threads on fightalpha for that info.)

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Report Alpha / Re: Call Paypal- My full refund info
« on: October 16, 2014, 09:54:03 pm »
It seems like there is a lot of traffic in this thread so I will repost my FULL REFUND from PayPal for the 30% down payment I made in Jan 2014:

Here is the information showing that I did indeed get a reversal and full refund from PayPal for the 30% down payment I initially paid to Alpha-t.  I hope this helps you all get your money back. 
My original payment to Alpha-t was on Jan 4, 2014.
PayPal reversed this payment for me on Oct 3, 2014
My name is:  Randal Shoup
Reversal (Unique Transaction ID # 55H06240T7828644W)
See related 6YU14735AK051702W  ( This was my original Jan 4 purchase ID.)

Original Transaction
 Date                   Type                                                                                 Status                       
 Jan 4, 2014   Payment To Alpha Technology (int) Ltd      Reversed     

PayPal reversed this payment and returned the money to your PayPal account.     Amount -£405.00 GBP

Related Transactions
 Oct 3, 2014   Reversal    Completed    ...   £405.00 GBP
 Oct 3, 2014   Currency Conversion    Completed    Details   -£405.00 GBP
 Oct 3, 2014   Currency Conversion    Completed    Details   $629.87 USD

Business Name:   
Alpha Technology (int) Ltd
Email: customer@alpha-t.net

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Archived Information / Re: Someone got this from Alpha in their email
« on: October 16, 2014, 05:35:51 pm »
None of you should fall for this trap. Keep fighting to get your full refund. But if you get to end November and still have no success getting the full money then yes, 65% is better than 0%.

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Archived Information / Re: Someone got this from Alpha in their email
« on: October 16, 2014, 05:34:30 pm »
First they offer a 30% refund and now they are offering a 65% refund.  And the really important part is at the end where AT admits they are going down the tubes in December. How could that be if they have batch 1 ready to ship and batch 2 in the queue to start offering?  Smells like a cesspool of deception yet again.  The newest email from them with the partial refund and admittance of going out of business in Dec should provide a great example to PayPal, banks and credit card companies just how bad AT is.

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Success Stories / My PayPal Reversal Info
« on: October 13, 2014, 04:59:51 pm »
Here is the information showing that I did indeed get a reversal and full refund from PayPal for the 30% down payment I initially paid to Alpha-t.  I hope this helps you all get your money back. 

My original payment to Alpha-t was on Jan 4, 2014.
PayPal reversed this payment for me on Oct 3, 2014

My name is:  PM me...

Reversal (Unique Transaction ID # 55H06240T7828644W)
See related 6YU14735AK051702W  ( This was my original Jan 4 purchase ID.)

Original Transaction
 Date                   Type                                                                                Status            Details                                                                     
 Jan 4, 2014   Payment To Alpha Technology (int) Ltd      Reversed      PayPal reversed this payment and returned the money to your PayPal account.     Amount -£405.00 GBP

Related Transactions
 Oct 3, 2014   Reversal    Completed    ...   £405.00 GBP
 Oct 3, 2014   Currency Conversion    Completed    Details   -£405.00 GBP
 Oct 3, 2014   Currency Conversion    Completed    Details   $629.87 USD

Business Name:   
Alpha Technology (int) Ltd
Email: customer@alpha-t.net

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1PEkPx2o6uXABysUjLJFeFkabFyhTrgbDB

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